And I Ain't Even Got an AR 15, You Can Call Home and Ask My Wife!

I wanna VOMIT every time some supposed deer hunter ..dressed head to toe in camo..Are you deer stalking or looking for the Taliban ya stupid pathetic looking J-ASS) carrying an AR 15 ( SORRY the AR is NOT A DEER RIFLE).. the cake taken this week.. I spy a magazine with Two hunters ( I use the term loosely) dressed in Full military camo.. camo ARs etc.. then it dawned on me as I looked at the photo they are photographed hunting in a snow covered mountain..?? HUH??.. not a tree or bush in sight??..Im no expert on Camo.. AS I wont EVER wear it.. but seems to me like Some sort of WHITE covering might be more effective??..Hunters already have an image problem with the non -hunting public.. dressing like some para -military outfit with your buddies to pursue deer.. just adds fuel to the mis-understanding.. and YOU LOOK ridiculous.. wanna Shoot Ar 15s wear military spec gear.. GO join THE ARMY! the pursuit of game is NOt some hobby for Joyous weekend Would be warriors .it requires a study of natural history knowing your quarry. and taking that animal quickly humanly as possible.. with a proper caliber firearm or bow..whatever your pref.. Really All you Camo gunned.. head to toe .. face masks paint.. etc.. Look like IDIOTS!..Just my humble opinion.. Im ashamed to be a member of the same species!


That was the first insult of the day for me when I scrolled down my facebook feed Sunday morning. The mini rant was from a fellow hunter, a fellow rifleman (judging from his photographs posted--and often re posted--on his "page"), and the last person I would have thought to hold a narrow-minded view such as this .

His whole tirade seems to be about two different topics, and they are, hunting while wearing camouflage and hunting with an AR 15 type rifle. Of course, I respectfully disagree with this observation and here's why.

Camouflage:

Since he mentions deer hunting when describing how stupid hunters are for wearing camo, I'll start with my feelings on the subject.

Does a deer hunter need camo to "hide" from colour-blind deer? Of course not. Hundreds of hunters used to take to the field in good old-fashioned, red-checkered Woolrich coats and jeans. The redder they were, the better and safer.

In my experience, the best way to not scare a deer was to not move like a human and not to look like a human almost regardless of colour. The camo I like makes me look like a headless, armless blob....with a rifle. Burlap does nicely as a poncho.

Another tactic is to be in a tree stand, out of the deers' usual line of sight. And as long as you don't jerk around alot, or silhouette yourself, you're in a fine position to connect with a deer. Up in a tree, high enough, and you could wear anything at all. Want to hunt in a day-glow pink jumpsuit? Have at it...your height off the ground is your camouflage.

So are deer hunters jerks and stupid pathetic looking J-ASS-es for wearing camouflage? No, and the reason why is because most of us don't just hunt deer. We hunt many other animals that aren't colour-blind and would definitely notice a blue-jeans wearing human stalking around with a firearm.

Turkeys can see your uncovered, light-coloured hand from a hundred yards away if you so much as move it to check your watch. Dove can see your pie face turned skyward as they think about landing on the power line above you. Ducks know what a human looks like even with camo on, but blending in will always give you a chance to get closer if you're on the peak and sneak method of hunting. You can duck hunt without camo of course, but guess what, you'll be sitting in a blind which is, of course, camouflaged to hide you.

A hunter who gears up for ducks or turkeys or geese or crows may only have to shell out the universal green once to hunt many different types of game. And let's face it, part of the hunting experience is the ritual, the litany of doing something that lets you say  inside, I do the same thing every day of every week, but not today! Today I'm not wearing the everyday husks, today I'm going hunting!

In my state of North Carolina we even have to wear blaze orange that is visible from 360 degrees around your person. Most of the time, among the guys I hunt with, that means a cap of fluorescent orange. Wearing such would seem to negate any advantage of breaking up your outline that camouflage gives you, but remember, deer are colour-blind--most hunters are not. Everybody that ventures into the woods from September to January first ought to get a blaze orange cap and wear it.

Calling deer hunters who do wear camo jack asses is narrow-minded and divisive. Doing so does nothing to support the sport of hunting or make a case for hunting without wearing camouflage. Sure, in parts of Africa it is considered terribly impolite to wear camouflage, but last time I checked, I wasn't in Africa. Hunting from an SUV, like they do in Africa, isn't really what I'd call hunting anyway.

AR 15:

Sure, most AR 15s are chambered for the diminutive 5.56X45MM/.223 Remington* cartridge that was designed as America's combat round for all enemies foreign and domestic. As the cartridge first came out in the sixties, the little .224 caliber bullet could have been considered a tad on the light side for deer. But today, the newer bullet constructions and different twist rates in barrels have made this cartridge just fine for deer and deer-sized animals. 

With proper shot placement this gun and the .223 cartridge will hunt. And the rifle's light recoil make it a fun experience to practice practice and practice from the bench at the range. It stands to reason that the more one shoots and practices with a rifle, the more proficient one will be at getting the bullet to go where the shooter wants it to at any given (sensible) range.

Now, since the AR 15 is a civilian version of our nation's primary infantry rifle, it shares a very distinct and nifty trait with the M 16. They were designed to be handled by men of varying degrees of intelligence and thus designed for easy maintenance. Pull a pin out of the receiver and the rifle hinges open for easy cleaning. Tap the hinge out as well and the rifle comes apart into two easy pieces!

The bolt, forearm, barrel and sights pull away into what is commonly refered to as the "upper" and the trigger, hammer, mag-well, and safety controls drop away into what is commonly referred to as the "lower". The lower is the part of the rifle with the serial number--for all its wisdom, the U.S. government considers this the "firearm". This is the part you can't buy without a background check from a licensed firearms dealer.

THIS is the "rifle"! You need an FFL Dealer to buy one in a store!

But what does that mean? Well the benefit is that once you establish your ownership of the lower, you can buy several different uppers in several different cartridge configurations! Think your .223 Remington-chambered upper is too wimpy for deer? Fine, just swap the upper for one in something "bigger" like (right off the top of my head) 6.8 Remington SPC, 6.5 Grendel, 30AR, .450 Bushmaster, .204 Ruger, and even 9MM Parabellum.

Each upper can be removed with its own optics in place meaning that when you swap uppers you needn't worry too much about a change in "zero". And that means, one rifle becomes a handful--a golf bag of rifle barrels to tailor your AR to the quarry you're after. Try that with a regular old, wood-stocked Model 70 Winchester and it ain't happening.

So an AR 15 isn't a hunting rifle? Nonsense--it might be the most versatile platform out there for folks who only have room in their houses and wallets for one or two rifles. If hunting is about getting outdoors, killing game humanely, and enjoying the company of others, then there's no reason to assume people that do hunt with an AR are idiots.

wanna Shoot Ar 15s wear military spec gear.. GO join THE ARMY! the pursuit of game is NOt some hobby for Joyous weekend Would be warriors--I don't hang out with many hunters who don't already know that no matter their weapon of choice. Some of us even wear camouflage.

By the way, NO, civilian AR 15's are not "automatic" or selective fire weapons like the M 16--that's a negative and incorrect media bias that's streamed from the airwaves constantly. Yes, they can be had with high capacity magazines, but most of us hunters get by without.

The bottom line is, why would a fellow hunter disparage us like-minded folk when, in his own words ..Hunters already have an image problem with the non -hunting public.. In my mind, we hunters ought to be supportive of each other. We ought to be courteous to each other. And above all, we ought to work to inform the non-hunting public why we think the privilege we all share as hunters is so sacred to us. Educating non hunters about what we do, how we do it, and the weapons we use would go a lot further to remove misconceptions about us than back-biting and infighting.

If you hunt with me, I don't care what you wear as long as it's legal. I don't care what you hunt with as long as it's legal and you're proficient with its use. And i don't care what type of game you take, as long as it was fair chase, and you harvested it humanely which means the killing was quick and as painless as possible.

Hell, I don't even care if you know when to use the word whom or know the difference between their, there, or they're!


*Yes, there are pressure differences between the 5.56 NATO round and a .223 Remington round that make them not quite interchangeable, but I'm just making a point. SAAMI specs wouldn't let you blow up your M16 by firing Winchester PMC .223 Remington ammo.

First Impressions

I consider myself a serious deer hunter I guess, but I don't drive myself crazy much anymore. I don't waste much time or money on the clothes, the gadgets, or the theories--I waste my time and money where it counts: on my rifles.

Do I spend a fortune on them? No, that's not what I meant. I mean, I get what catches my eye, then work hard to squeeze every ounce of utility from them. I work up my own handloads for each that'll shoot the most accurate and buy it the best optics I can afford (or embezzle). And then I shoot it and then shoot it some more as far as I can to get to know what it can and cannot do. I also figure out along the way what I can and cannot do with the rifle.

If I had an AR-15 I'd hunt with it.

Here's a list of what I've used on game, and my impression--my impression of course.

223 Remington: Remington Model 700 ADL.

I broke my neck, and would have never used this cartridge to hunt deer, but I was wary of recoil to my healing vertebrae. I also happen to shoot this rifle alot, so I have the utmost confidence in it. So when I was hunkered down in my burlap poncho on the hay field, I had no compunction using this diminutive cartridge on a medium sized doe.

I thumped her in the head while shooting off sticks. Strangely, my hunting buddy had radioed me if  I "had seen anything" and I whispered, "Hang on," into my radio while squeezing off the shot. He got to hear the report through his radio and then a moment later through the air. That was kinda neat.

So if you wanted to use an old bolt gun with the old, slow and familiar twist rate, I'd stick to head shots inside 100 yards. With a new AR with a fast-twist barrel and 60 gr Noslers or something, I'd go on and take a classic broadside body shot out to 150 yards. Bullet placement is super critical if you want to find the deer you shot and killed.

The .223 Remington. The Chap Stick is for scale.

 243 Winchester: Remington Model 700 ADL/Remington Model 788 Carbine.

This rifle and cartridge are insanely versatile. I can load 55 grain varmint bullets to 4000 feet per second (fps) and I can load 100 grain bullets for deer to damn near 3100 fps safely and many different bullet weights in between!

The mild recoil make it a good gun for folks who don't like getting the crap kicked out of them at the range or while hunting. Though, you rarely notice recoil when you're hunting. Lots of people hand these to kids as their first deer rifle, but the recoil can still be a little stout for a little practicing off the bench. It was for my kids I felt like. I did hunt with it the minute I got my cervical collar off for the rest of the '07-08 season.

The handful of deer I have shot with them died and were found. They all ran, dead on their feet, for a pretty good distance, but that was with classic broadside shots through the chest cavities. I imagine I could neck shoot deer with this rifle and collect them where they stood.

It's a good cartridge, but bullet placement is pretty critical. 100 grains is pretty dang small. My 700 shoots so well that I don't think I'll ever give it up unless the IRS forces me to, but past 150 yards, you better be dead on.

The 100 grain for deer on the left, and the 55 grain.

6.5X55MM (Swedish Mauser): Mod 98 Santa Barbara/Mod 70 Winchester/Mod 700 Rem.

Three rifles chambered in this cartridge? Yes. That's how much I think of it. With 140 grain bullets, this dog hunts. I found out one day quite by accident, that this 140 grain bullet at a steady 2700 fps had the same "trajectory" as a 150 grain bullet from my .308 going 2900 fps with less "KAPOW" and less recoil. An inch and half high at a hundred yards and two inches low at 200 is in my tiny mind, just about perfect for any rifle. It's long and skinny and slips through the air quite easily.

I've never lost a deer with this cartridge. The recoil is on par with a .243, but the payload is much heavier and steadier. I even killed a coyote with it but instantly felt guilty about that.

I couldn't recommend this cartridge as there aren't any new rifles being made for it meaning you'd have to get someone to build one for you. The cartridge is an intermediate between "Short Action" and "Long Action" so you might have feed problems in your long action rifle you have built for it. If you buy an old Mauser, you'll have to shoot wimpy factory loads which build pressures with the ancient age of old Mausers in mind. Of course, as a handloader, none of that bothers me, so I love these rifles and what they can do.

140 Grain sweetness. 

260 Remington: Remington Model Seven.

This, like the above Swede, is a .264 caliber cartridge. I love it too. In short, I would say, they made a cartridge to shoot like a swede, but to dimensions that allow it to be packaged into short action rifles. And there ain't no rifle action shorter and handier than is used in a Remington Model Seven. The rifle is a delight to use. Mine was snapped up when it was a youth model, but I added a recoil pad to make it adult sized.

Everything I said about the Swede is of course true for the .260. I loaded it with 100 grain bullets for my son when he was ready to move up from his first deer rifle. And for the last two years, he's been using this Seven to do all his hunting, but loaded with the lethal 140 grain projectiles. He doesn't know this of course. I have him practice with the 100 grainers at the bench so he doesn't beat himself to death and develop a flinch, and then switch him out to the 140 grainers when he hunts. They miraculously share the same "zero" in that little Seven, and that's a real plus.

The only drawback to my set up is barrel length, but I'm going to fix that shortly when I build one on a Model 70 Winchester action with a 22 inch barrel from Douglas. That's what hunters should do on the off season; buy and shoot new rifles!

The 140 grain on the left, 100 grain on the right.

6.8 Remington SPC (Special Purpose Cartridge): Remington Model 700 Light Varminter.

If you think about it, killing really ain't all that special a purpose for a rifle cartridge! I actually stuck this .270 caliber rifle action into a youth model stock and took my kids hunting with it. My son got his first deer with it--and what a deer it was! The recoil is very mild, but with a 110 grain bullet, it felt to me that it would have a more lethal effect than say a .223. And it wouldn't beat the kids silly like a .243 Win would at the bench.

I crawled up on a little buck and dropped him where he stood with a lucky shoulder shot once. And that just goes to show, that shot placement is critical when shooting animals with this rifle. Also, it it's probably a little to wimpy to stretch out past 100 yards or so for deer.

It's a 110 Grain .270 caliber.

270 Winchester: Remington Model 700 Moutain Rifle.

Obviously, the .270 is the heat. Its reputation was made on the 130 grain bullet and that's all I ever used. I had some 150's for it, but I never got around to using them. I've since sold the rifle I had, but this is the cartridge I recommend to anyone wanting to get started deer hunting. I mean, the cartridges and rifles are available anywhere in these United States at anytime you want them.

The only downside in my mind (only, probably) is that these rifles are long action rifles which for a little feller like me makes stock crawling and scope mounting somewhat problematic...sometimes. You'll never have any trouble out of it and if you shoot it alot, you'll get really good with it.

A factory 130 grain topped cartridge.

7MM-08 Remington: Remington Model Seven/Remington Model 700.

This is a huge step up from the 243 Win. even though it too is a short-action cartridge. In the Model Seven, it's a joy to carry though recoil can get a bit stout--but you never notice that from the tree you're in. This is a cartridge that can be used for all manner of game depending on which load you roll yourself, or buy in a box at Gander Mtn.

The two I have have served me well. The Seven is the veritable tack driver which only boosts confidence. The last deer I shot in the 2011-12 season was a 96 yard head shot with this rifle. Having helped hunting buddy's look for four wounded deer that year, I decided I would start dropping deer in their tracks. The 700 I own, however, is going to get reamed out to 284 Winchester, but that is another story...

I would recommend this cartridge to anyone, but ammo can be hard to come by out in the sticks. It's plenty of gun for deer and frankly, everything else in NC that "they'll" let us shoot.

150 Grain bullet.

280 Ackley Improved: Remington Model 700.

Yeah. I know. This is a 7MM cartridge and this was my first "custom" rifle. The .280 Ackley is based of course on the 280 Remington but with the case "blown out" and the shoulder angle sharpened more than the parent case. Why? So we handloaders can stuff more propellant into the case and force the bullet down range faster.

Yeah. Why? Well, I can just match the "ballistics" of the 7MM Remington Magnum cartridge with this cartridge but with a 24 inch barrel, two more cartridges in my magazine, and with less powder which means cheaper as well. The recoil is a little less too because of less propellant, but only slightly. This rifle isn't much fun to shoot off the bench, but it's not as fierce as a 7MM Mag.

In fact, every three or four years or so I forget and buy a 7MM Mag, take it to the range, and quickly remind myself why I don't own one! I'm a little feller.

The cartridge is fine. It will do anything the .270 Winchester will do without a whole lot of difference. It is a "long range" number and being thus, it was the first cartridge I ever shot and was able to recover the bullet from the corpse.

An improved cartridge is something handloaders do because the plain Jane version of the cartridge isn't sexy enough. On the bright side, regular factory ammo will do in a pinch if need be with only the loss of velocity and a changed zero.

150 grain bullet.

30 Winchester Center Fire (30-30 Winchester): Marlin 336CS/Western Field M740

I can't say anything bad about this cartridge and the Marlins I have toted. Well, I won't. It's true, people will sniff when they see you carrying it afield now and that's a shame really. The 30-30 belies the importance of paper "ballistics" when it thumps deer dead. Flat metplats and modest velocities have always been lethal at moderate ranges.

But you know what? Hornady's LeveRevolution ammunition has changed the game forever. I don't bother to reload 30-30 ammo but will start now as the components for Hornady's awesome, spitzer pointed lever gun ammo has become available to us reloaders. The pointy bullets with the rubber tips are exactly what tubular magazined rifles need! These have turned 30-30's into semi-long ranged rifles.

Of course, the cartridge is fine up close and personal in the hardwoods. The first high powered rifle I ever bought was a Marlin in 30-30 Winchester in 1984, and I still got it though I yanked out the weird little "cross-bolt safety" and old hardwood stock I cracked playing Rooster Cogburn--spinning a 336 is harder than it looks...so was that concrete floor.

Hornady LeveRevolution, an old Winchester, and an ancient saboted .22.

7.5X54MM MAS: MAS Model 1936.

The cartridge is fine. It's .308 caliber, a 150 grain bullet cooking out of the muzzle at about 2750 fps, so it's plenty deadly. The problem is the rifle. It's an old French number from before WWII. It has a good sight system for shooting in broad daylight but deer (and the Viet Minh) only come out in the wee hours of the morning and the fading light of dusk...but I harvested a deer with it.

The 7.5 is in the same class as the good ol' .300 Savage. It is plenty lethal and has plenty of punch, but obviously no one who isn't on a mission is going to hunt deer with it. I've been on a mission to kill something with every rifle in my safe for a while, and the MAS 36 was in there so it got its chance to shine.

I don't recommend it.

Medium length, giant case head.

308 Winchester: Remington M 700/Rem M 788/Browning BBR/Marlin XS7

If I had to give up all of my rifles and settle for one, it'd be in 308 Winchester and it'd be a toss up between that Model 700 and the Marlin XS7. Saying the 308 is versatile is an understatement. Think of it as a 30-06 short! Handloading just carries that versatility to the Nth degree as one gets into countless combinations of bullet weight and applications.

Having practiced with rifles in this cartridge so much, I have a confidence level with my .308's that borders on cocky. And that of course means good, clean shots afield. The other good thing about this cartridge is that it too fits into the light, short-action rifles which I prefer. In fact, I'll have you know, that this cartridge, having started life as a military chambering, has been necked up and down and is the granddaddy of my 243 Win, 260 Rem, and 7mm-08 Rem and big poppi to the 338 Federal and 358 Winchester which I don't own...yet. All of those cartridges are based on the 308 Winchester case and all fit into short, easily-toted rifles.

Of course it's a good deer round. That's needless to say, and I would recommend it to anyone who wants to start hunting or just start shooting. Ammunition is everywhere and pretty easy to find, and there's tons of different configurations to choose from. Have at it.

The 308 Win might be all you need.

30-06 Springfield: Rem 700 BDL/Mauser 98/1903 Springfield/Rem Model 30 Express.

This is America's 30 caliber cartridge. It's the father of so many cartridges that I won't list them all as it would make me crazy. In the list I'm making here, it's the father of the 280 and 270. It's a long action, good for any game in North America and by default, the great state of NC too.

It's not my go to gun for one reason. It's just too dull. It's just too ho hum because everyone has one. And, it kicks like a damn mule! The last deer I shot with one was from a vintage 1926 Model 30 Express Remington with open sights in the 2010-11 season. Because so many rifles have been chambered in 30-06, when a weird, old rifle no one wants catches my eye, I'll buy it even if it's chambered thus.

That old 98 Mauser has the faint Nazi Eagle on it though it was polished off mostly. My '03 Springfield, the rifle that was designed around the cartridge more or less when *it* was the premier assault rifle, would probably curl my hair if it could speak of what it had been through.

Anyway, it's always going to be a good choice for hunting even if it won't wow your guntard friends. Ammunition is everywhere--even rustic gas stations in the middle of nowhere right next to the RC colas and corn nuts.

Rifle Cartridge, Calibre .30, Model of 1906.

35 Remington: Marlin 336CS/Remington 760 Game Master

This is one of those cartridges that I love and use late in the season when I've shot a few deer, but want to limit my shots for the rest of the season so I don't look like a blood-thirsty maniac. It's made it's reputation in the Marlin lever action rifle, but was invented for a semi-automatic rifle.

In the Marlin, flat nosed bullets are the order of the day because of the tubular magazine--or are they? Again, Hornady's LeveRevolution Ammunition has changed the game somewhat. It's still an inside a hundred yard cartridge--mine shoots eight inches low at 200 yards--but the pointy, rubber-tipped spitzers are way more accurate.

It just packs more punch than the 30-30 yet has the same range from the same type of Marlin, so what's not to love? The Remington 760 is just a fun, vintage rifle that doesn't care if the ammo is pointed or not. It's a pump-action rifle, a "yankee lever gun", that I fell in love with and waited six years for the pawn shop to come down off their price!

Factory ammunition is good, and Hornady's is great. Limit your shots to inside 100 yards and you're hunting with a big bore.

Old flat-nose on left, and Hornady's LeveRevolution.

350 Remington Magnum: Remington Model 700 Classic.

This stomper was made for killing giant, scary animals, and I respect that, but we're short on those in my neck of the woods. All we got is deer. The recoil is so brutal that I've only the guts to put a fixed four power Leupold on top of this thing because it has such generous eye relief.

I've worked up a pet load that shucks a 200 grain spitzer out at 2800 fps and have never bothered to experiment further with it. Why? This is all you need. Well, and you'll need some dies for reloading because as I write this, no one is making ammunition for this bad boy which means you'll have to roll your own.

So why own such a hot house flower? Because the rifle is gorgeous, a short action, and light as a feather. No one's got one, and that makes it a guntard's dream.

And the cartridge isn't as hard on deer as you'd think it would be. I've actually seen a doe shot with the 350 strung up right beside one shot with a 270 at the processor's, and was surprised at the difference between the injuries. Each were easy to see without the skin. Both were shot near 100 yards, but the 270 shot doe was mangled to point of losing the off side front leg while my doe wasn't nearly as battered.

It's a good cartridge, and if the Greensboro Bear ever shows his grimy face during bear season...I'll be ready...or her face.

The original "Short Magnum" from 1965!

375 Winchester: Marlin 375.

An even bigger bore than the 350 Rem mag, this cartridge is actually a pussy cat. It's chambered in lever guns, so it has to be loaded with flat-nosed bullets, but since it's 375 caliber, it already contains more punch than the either the 30-30 or 35 Remington. Well it too loves a 200 grain bullet, cut its teeth on a 200 grain bullet, and that's all I have ever loaded in it.

The one doe I have harvested with this rifle and cartridge dropped in her tracks at 107 yards. Lucky hit? That of course is possible, but it permanently fixed in my mind the thought that I said earlier: Flat noses and moderate velocities hit really hard, harder even than paper "ballistics" would lead you to believe.

But, it's an odd duck and you might have to search long and hard for ammo, and pay a pretty penny for a rifle--especially an original Winchester Big Bore in which the cartridge was first introduced. You might think it worth it if you handloaded I suppose. I did.

A "new" cartridge that owes it's life to the old 38-55 Winchester.

444 Marlin: Marlin 444S.

If the 350 Rem Mag is a stomper, then the 444 Marlin is a double-stomper! You can find factory ammunition for it, and maybe you should since it comes with a 240 grain, flat-nosed bullet. I read the manuals, and they all lauded the 265 grain Hornady flat-nosed bullet as far superior--and maybe it is. But from a Marlin 336 action (called 444s) the recoil is brutal.

I have said above, when you're hunting, you don't notice recoil, but when you're hunting with this cartridge, you better beware. I scoped mine with a low power variable for the extra eye-relief but still hesitate before I squeeze the trigger to take stock of where my face is, where my eyebrow is. At the bench I take the rear Butler Creek flip-up scope cover all the way off as it's that close during recoil.

Is it too much for white-tail? Yes, I would say so. But for up close, inside one hundred yards, slow and fat will get the job done. A poorly hit deer will probably succumb very quickly and be found rather than disappear into the brush to die slowly or at the mouths of predators. I wouldn't recommend it for beginner shooters though.

When your 44 Rem Mag is too weak!

The Rest

The only cartridges and rifles left that I own and would consider shooting deer with are:

45-70 Government: Marlin 1895

This bruiser was a military cartridge until the 1890's or so. Made for killing American Indians back when that was cool. It's rough enough to kill anything in North America and might be a tad harsh on deer, but it would do that pretty well.

The recoil is so harsh with a jacketed, 300 grain flat-nosed bullet that I won't even put a scope on it. Right now I have a rear Weaver "peep" sight on it and might stick with that. This is the only rifle I have ever shot and worried about my retina detaching. I'm almost not kidding.

44 Remington Magnum: Marlin 1894

This is a pistol cartridge that has made it's way into small, lever-action carbines as well. I would love to thump a deer with this--think of it as a 444 Marlin Short--since it has plenty of gas to get the job done as long as the range is reasonable, say, inside of 100 yards.

The little rifle would look ridiculous with a scope, so it too is an iron sighted proposition. That means it'll have to be broad daylight and classic broadside before I'll attempt a shot. But it would do well I imagine.

357 Magnum: Marlin 1894CS

This may be the weakest cartridge anyone should shoot at deer. And I'll only do it opened sighted, broadly lit, and inside 75 yards. This is the cartridge for guys who can get deer almost to bow-hunting range. This for the doe that wanders right up to the blind and then won't go away unless you throw your cushion at her, or kill her.

The 45-70, 44 Mag, and the 357 Mag.

So, that's it. My impressions aren't ironclad, and might even be wrong. I know a guy who only hunts with two rifles, two Weatherby's, and they're both chambered in 270 Winchester, and he thinks he's got all his bases covered. And he does I suppose, but that's not a fun way to live if you ask me.

I've gathered a few rifles in several different chamberings and a few different models, and I've enjoyed taking them out and seeing what we can do together. The only caveat I would give to anyone wanting to hunt is something my hero once said, and even titled a book the same, and that's, "Use enough gun!"



-rbm